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SacL5 Meeting 8/9/25

Mission – Why We Exist

  • Help enthusiasts find ways to contribute.
  • Provide sources of enabling training to facilitate engineering prototyping.
  • Establish a clearinghouse for the ongoing objective analysis of proposed space development technologies.

Meeting Details for each Months Meeting

Meeting Call: Sacramento L5 Society, Local Chapter, National Space Society
Where: Virtual presence only, via Zoom
When: Second Saturday, each month beginning at 6pm PT
 
Pre-Zoom notes:
•These meetings are recorded.
•Folks will be asked to briefly share their video, and phone callers asked to identify themselves.
•We use the “waiting room” format. If I keep you waiting, call me and bawl me out! 916-429-6252
 
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Meeting ID: 868 9868 4719
 
Joe Bland
President, SL5S
7482 Greenhaven Drive
Sacramento, CA 95831
916-429-6252
 

Home Page: SacramentoL5Society.org

SacL5 Officers: Joe Bland President, Jan Rosten VP, Ed Kulis Secretary/Website Admin (click name to email)


Sacramento L5 Society (SacL5) – Meeting Minutes

Date: Saturday, August 9, 2025

Time: 6:00–7:30 PM Pacific

Location: Zoom (virtual only)

Website: https://sacramentol5society.nss.org

 

1. Call to Order and Attendance

  • Meeting began at 6:00 PM with greetings and introductions.
  • Attendees included:

  – Joe Bland – President

  – Eric James

  – Ed Kulis – Secretary

  – Michael Abramson

  – Jan Rosten – Vice President

2. Reports & Updates

President’s & Treasurer’s Report (Joe Bland)

  • Status of frozen checking account still unresolved.
  • New checking account established; working to transfer SacL5 funds into an interest-bearing account.
  • Contact made with old bank; issues noted with California registration and insurance.
  • Need signed statement confirming SacL5’s status as a local NSS chapter.

SacL5 Website (Ed Kulis)

  • Minutes posted with new picture.
  • Website has now exceeded 20,000 visits.

NSS Chapters’ Assembly (Jan Roston)

  • 22 chapters currently in good standing.
  • Issues with attendance: Prathmesh absent for two meetings.
  • By-law disagreements between Perri and Joe.
  • Quorum clarified: ~25% of chapters (6 out of 22).
  • Leadership concerns raised: potential votes of no confidence for Prathmesh Raptre and Bland Dozal (Cuyahoga Valley Space Society).
  • Executive Secretary Perri assumes chair role if chair absent.
  • Plans for Goddard Launch Celebration with student involvement.
  • Concern noted: SacL5 not receiving support from Chapters’ Assembly.

NSSCA Chapter Resources Subcommittee (Ed Kulis)

  • Ongoing work; minor items to update (e.g., site references).

NSS Chapter Committee (Joe Bland)

  • Discussion limited by Dave Stuart.
  • Vote count issue: 5 total votes; 4 went to Prathmesh.
  • Continued planning for Goddard Celebration.

3. Action Items

  • Paul Turner – Contact Ken Davis (Sacramento School of Engineering and Science). Paul absent this meeting.
  • Ed Kulis – Complete: Confirmed that SacL5 is listed on Benevity website.

4. Old Business

Eric’s Steam Engine Project (Eric James)

  • Completed and demonstrated via photos.
  • All mechanisms functioning; built largely from scratch with some re-machined parts.
  • Discussion of related prototype engines by Joe Bland (hot-air engine, CCVC Closed Cycle Valve Cell Engine concept).
  • Potential applications for lunar and planetary energy generation using temperature differentials.
  • Michael Abramson emphasized importance of simple, practical energy solutions.

SacL5 Balloon Flight Device (Ed Kulis, Paul Turner)

  • Continuing discussion of device for MiniCube flights (1–2 possible launches).

“Open Space Organization” White Paper (Michael Abramson)

  • Continued development; additional discussion needed.
  • Reference to Michael’s earlier email requesting input.

Potential NASA Grant Application (Joe Bland)

  • Ongoing subject; needs further planning.

Manned Earth-Gravity Settlement Concepts (Joe Bland, Don Wade)

  • Discussion of constructing lunar/Earth-gravity settlement.
  • Mentioned related groups (Space Nurse group, tethers, crater rim transport, inflatable rotating stations).
  • NASA momentum currently more lunar-focused.
  • Propulsion concepts: atomic rockets to Mars, asteroid and Earth-Moon cyclers.

New Propulsion System Proposal (Joe Bland, Gerald Nordley’s concept)

  • Further exploration and discussion deferred.

5. New Business

  • General discussion, including mention of Project Hail Mary.

6. Space News & Open Discussion

  • Ad Astra discussion on the Fermi Paradox highlighted by John F. Kross.

7. Adjournment

  • Meeting adjourned at 7:30 PM.

Project Activities

Projects in Progress

  • Balloon Device Project – See: Details
    • Project started for see details page created on website
  • Eric’s Steam Engine
    • Will run on compressed air. 
    • It’s a “Walking Beam” Design with fly-ball governors to stabilize speed with  offset cams to operate the steam valves.
  • White Paper on an Open Space Organization
    • Development of White Paper on an “Open Space Organization (OSO) (Michael Abramson)
    • Michael presented the current state of the proposed white paper.
    • We will look for other names since “Open Space Organization” has awkward connotations and  “Outer Space Organization” may be in use by other organizations.
    • Here are a few alternative suggested by Michael and Joe:
    • Open Outer Space Organization (OOSO)
      • United Outer Space Organization (UOSO)
      • Space Development Organization (SDO)
      • Space Developers Organization (SDO)
      • Outer Space Development Organization (OSDO)
      • Outer Space Developers Organization (OSDO)
      • United Space Development Organization (USDO)
      • United Space Developers Organization (USDO)
      • United Outer Space Development Organization (UOSDO)
      • United Outer Space Developers Organization (UOSDO
      • Organization of Outer Space Development  (OOSD)
      • Organization of Outer Space Developers  (OOSD)
  • Joe’s Projects and Patents
    • Joe’s patent applications on energy generation, storage, and distribution still in process
    • Patent office hasn’t rejected any patents and the process is moving forward.

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