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SacL5 Meeting 10/11/25

Mission – Why We Exist

  • Help enthusiasts find ways to contribute.
  • Provide sources of enabling training to facilitate engineering prototyping.
  • Establish a clearinghouse for the ongoing objective analysis of proposed space development technologies.

Meeting Details for each Months Meeting

Meeting Call: Sacramento L5 Society, Local Chapter, National Space Society
Where: Virtual presence only, via Zoom
When: Second Saturday, each month beginning at 6pm PT
 
Pre-Zoom notes:
•These meetings are recorded.
•Folks will be asked to briefly share their video, and phone callers asked to identify themselves.
•We use the “waiting room” format. If I keep you waiting, call me and bawl me out! 916-429-6252
 
Join Zoom meeting:
Find your local number: https://us06web.zoom.us/u/kbdpRGEmNm
Meeting ID: 868 9868 4719
 
Joe Bland
President, SL5S
7482 Greenhaven Drive
Sacramento, CA 95831
916-429-6252
 

Home Page: SacramentoL5Society.org

SacL5 Officers: Joe Bland President, Jan Rosten VP, Ed Kulis Secretary/Website Admin (click name to email)


Sacramento L5 Society (SacL5) – Meeting Minutes

Date: October 11, 2025

Time: 6:00 – 7:30 PM Pacific Standard Time

Location: Virtual (Zoom)

Website: https://sacramentol5society.nss.org

1. Attendance and Introductions

Meeting began at 6:00 PM with greetings and introductions of new members. All attendees confirmed having read the prior month’s minutes.

  • Joe Bland (President)
  • Jan Roston
  • Ed Kulis
  • Michael Abramson
  • Paul Turner
  • Robyn

 

2. President & Treasurer’s Report (Joe Bland & Jan Roston)

  • The SacL5 checking account remains frozen with approximately $12,000 on deposit.
    • US Bank has not returned calls. Withdrawals OK but not deposits.
    • Jan suggested exploring a new nonprofit account with Fidelity Investments, which currently offers ~3.8% interest.
    • Fidelity indicated nonprofit accounts are possible and could be linked with investments.
    • Joe to follow up with Fidelity regarding opening the account.
    • Joe and Jan emphasized the need to maintain SacL5’s nonprofit status under the NSS umbrella.

3. Website Update (Ed Kulis)

  • Ed reported significant web traffic growth: 21,975 visits (+633). Year-to-date and hourly traffic graphs now appear on the homepage.
    • A post titled “Chapter Resources Now on NSS Website” was added.
    • Joe complimented the new design, particularly the Chapter Resources page.
    • Ed is evaluating an upgrade from the free Visitor Statistics plugin to include live tracking, mapping, SEO insights, and detailed analytics.
    • Noted mention of SacL5 in NSS’s Downlink Newsletter (via Robin).
    • Discussion on battery materials safety and consumer awareness (Apple vs. third-party suppliers).

4. NSS Chapter Updates

  • Chapters’ Assembly (Jan Roston): Upcoming meeting next week. Jan attended last session.
    • Chapter Resources Subcommittee (Ed Kulis): Collaborated with Perri Doutre; resource links now appear on NSS website.
    • NSS Chapter Committee (Joe Bland): Standing updates noted.

5. Open Space Organization (OSO) White Paper (Michael Abramson)

  • Joe summarized ongoing discussion of OSO framework and charter draft development.
    • Michael circulated notes emphasizing governance structure, human rights protections, and equitable decision-making mechanisms.
    • Discussion covered proposals such as Safety Operations Committee (SOC), Admissions & Standards Committee, and Member Rights Court (MRC).
    • Ed’s earlier detailed charter draft may serve as a later appendix or publishable standalone document.
    • Consensus-based decision-making model with “justified objection” concept was reviewed.
    • Considerations for member rights, emergency response mechanisms, and ethical standards were discussed.
    • Jan noted challenges in scaling to large projects and the need for “grandfather clauses” for existing companies.
    • Paul Turner mentioned his work on spiral-launch vehicle concepts and upcoming book project.

6. SacL5 Balloon Flight / MiniCube Project (Ed Kulis & Paul Turner)

  • Continued discussion on MiniCube flights and potential collaboration with the Sacramento School of Engineering and Science.
    • Device development progressing; project integration into educational outreach under review.

7. Action Items

  • Joe Bland – Follow up with Fidelity Investments regarding nonprofit account.

8. Old Business

  • Eric James’ steam engine project – Completed.
    • Space radiation hazards – Discussion led by Ed Kulis.
    • NASA grant application updates – Joe Bland.
    • Earth-gravity lunar settlement design – Discussion by Joe Bland and Don Wade.
    • Propulsion system by Gerald Nordley – Ongoing discussion.

9. New Business and Space News

  • Open discussion of current space-related developments and news.
    • Recognition of growing participation and project engagement within SacL5 community.

10. Adjournment

Meeting adjourned at 7:30 PM. Next meeting scheduled for November 8, 2025, via Zoom.

Minutes prepared by: Ed Kulis

President: Joseph Bland

Project Activities

Projects in Progress

  • Balloon Device Project – See: Details
    • Project started for see details page created on website
  • Eric’s Steam Engine
    • Will run on compressed air. 
    • It’s a “Walking Beam” Design with fly-ball governors to stabilize speed with  offset cams to operate the steam valves.
  • White Paper on an Open Space Organization
    • Development of White Paper on an “Open Space Organization (OSO) (Michael Abramson)
    • Michael presented the current state of the proposed white paper.
    • We will look for other names since “Open Space Organization” has awkward connotations and  “Outer Space Organization” may be in use by other organizations.
    • Here are a few alternative suggested by Michael and Joe:
    • Open Outer Space Organization (OOSO)
      • United Outer Space Organization (UOSO)
      • Space Development Organization (SDO)
      • Space Developers Organization (SDO)
      • Outer Space Development Organization (OSDO)
      • Outer Space Developers Organization (OSDO)
      • United Space Development Organization (USDO)
      • United Space Developers Organization (USDO)
      • United Outer Space Development Organization (UOSDO)
      • United Outer Space Developers Organization (UOSDO
      • Organization of Outer Space Development  (OOSD)
      • Organization of Outer Space Developers  (OOSD)
  • Joe’s Projects and Patents
    • Joe’s patent applications on energy generation, storage, and distribution still in process
    • Patent office hasn’t rejected any patents and the process is moving forward.

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